How the builders of Stalker 2 weathered the Ukraine battle to make their recreation | The DeanBeat

If anybody can say they’ve had challenges making a recreation, the group making S.T.A.L.Ok.E.R 2: The Coronary heart of Chornobyl could make that declare. And if it ships the sport to customers on November 20, that will probably be a victory in itself.

But the builders of GSC Recreation World in Kyiv, Ukraine wish to ship this recreation to point out that they by no means gave up on a undertaking that has been getting in full gear for almost seven years and talked about even longer. They haven’t given up although the group was disrupted when Vladimir Putin launched a full-scale battle on February 24, 2022. Russia had attacked earlier than in 2014, seizing a few territories. However this was a battle for management of all of Ukraine, and the battle continues to this present day.

Builders needed to go away to go to battle. The electrical energy recurrently went out and it nonetheless goes out in Kyiv, the place the majority of the group is. Missiles recurrently rained down on town and so they nonetheless do, with anti-missile rockets intercepting the incoming missiles earlier than they will do hurt.

If and once they ship their recreation, they need to be an inspiration for an trade that has had suffered via layoffs, declining gross sales, a pandemic, social media hate, and extra prior to now few years. If GSC Recreation World can get this achieved, then others can overcome their hurdles too, similar to these Ukraine athletes who gained the medals for his or her nation within the Olympics.

I spoke with Ievgen Grygorovych, CEO of GSC Recreation World, and Maria Grygorovych, inventive director at Gamescom. They’re a husband-and-wife group, working considered one of Ukraine’s largest and finest recognized recreation corporations with 460 workers. But they’re simply an indie recreation studio. They unfold out into new places similar to Poland and Prague and elsewhere, with some working distant.

Ievgen’s brother Sergiy began GSC Recreation World in 1995 as an organization that localized video games to the Russian market. It went on to create the Cossacks sequence of video games, and it started growing and publishing its personal in addition to third-party video games. Ievgen joined the corporate in 2001.

S.T.A.L.Ok.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl got here out in 2007 and it was successful as a first-person shooter. It mixed concepts from the novel Roadside Picnic with the actual world catastrophe of the Chornobyl nuclear meltdown, positing that this created a Zone the place hunters generally known as Stalkers might go to seek out anomalous treasures. However they ran the chance of working into enemies together with monsters unleashed by the radioactive contamination.

Two extra Stalker video games got here out in 2008 and 2009, however none was referred to as Stalker 2. The truth is, the prior CEO, who was Ievgen’s brother, requested him to make Stalker 2 and Ievgen mentioned no as a result of he didn’t suppose the group was able to tackle such an enormous undertaking. The corporate introduced Stalker 2 in 2012, however that group by no means completed and it was rebooted altogether in a while.

Ievgen ultimately relented. “It was a crazy business decision to start this project, but we were sure that we would do everything possible,” Ievgen Grygorovych mentioned in our interview.

Abandoning earlier instructions, they created a plan and constructed a brand new group. They labored on getting the script proper from the beginning. After six rewrites, they lastly began transferring ahead.

Even with out these exterior challenges, the sport was bold, even for builders who had been engaged on video games for many years. The group began with new know-how. They got here up with an inventory of duties and broke it down into a whole lot of 1000’s of duties, Ievgen Grygorovych mentioned. By the tip of the method, lots of their members of the family misplaced family members within the battle.

One Stalker 2 developer, Volodymyr Yezhov, was killed within the battle with Russia. In December 2022, he died in a battle close to Bakhmut, defending town from Russian attackers. GSC Gameworld has made quite a few donations to reason behind Ukraine and it solicits funds from guests to its website as nicely.

Throughout all this time, they by no means thought-about shutting down the sport. They felt like a duty towards their nation to get it achieved, to place Ukraine on the map of the sport improvement world. After they noticed their countrymen and girls win medals on the Summer season Olympics, they have been proud, and so they need the nation to be happy with their work on Stalker 2 — even to the purpose of utilizing the Ukrainian model of the spelling of Chornobyl (as a substitute of the Russian Chernobyl).

It’s been a tough highway and the longest journey. With some satisfaction, the Stalker 2 leaders joined an image with the Xbox European recreation dev group in Cologne, Germany. What’s their final lesson? In recreation improvement, it’s a must to actually love the method, Maria Grygorovych mentioned.

Right here’s an edited transcript of our interview. Disclosure: Devcom paid my the place to Cologne, the place I moderated a few panels on the Devcom developer occasion.

GamesBeat: How do you keep resilient sufficient to do that for such a very long time?

Ievgen Grygorovych: It’s a tough undertaking for us. It’s enormous. We began from scratch. We began with new know-how. We began earlier than the present era of consoles appeared. We began with a principally new group. We had a complete lack of expertise within the transfer to consoles. We have been a PC-only recreation developer earlier than. It was a loopy enterprise choice to begin this undertaking, however we have been certain that we’d do all the things attainable. We had lots of expertise making video games. I’ve about 24 years making video games.

Previously we have been requested at completely different instances to make a Stalker 2. All of the earlier instances I refused to begin making it, as a result of it’s a really bold undertaking. The participant expectations could be very excessive. It will be a really lengthy journey, a really laborious journey. Once you’re not very younger and also you perceive what that’s going to be like, the way you’d must work and the way aggravating it will be, it’s laborious to say, “Yes, I’m ready to do that.” Once you’re younger and skilled you don’t know what you’ll must undergo making this sort of recreation. You’re extra prone to say sure.

The final time, we talked with Maria and we determined it was time to do it. We began from that time. It’s been an enormous a part of our lifetime. From what I can see now, it’s going to be an excellent recreation. We’re pleased with what we might obtain. We didn’t anticipate that we’d do it, however we did it. We’re nonetheless a bit nervous. You by no means understand how gamers are going to take your recreation. However inside me I believe that we’ve achieved all the things attainable in our state of affairs.

We’re an impartial developer. We now have lots of limitations that different builders won’t have. We now have all of the conditions related to the battle with Russia. With all these difficulties, we’ve nonetheless come thus far the place we’re close to the discharge. It’s been a protracted journey.

GamesBeat: How lengthy have you ever labored on Stalker?

Maria Grygorovych: For me it’s been since 2017.

Ievgen Grygorovych: Sure, the identical for me.

GamesBeat: The primary set of video games, the primary three video games, did you’re employed on these?

Ievgen Grygorovych: I used to be working with the corporate, however on completely different video games at that time. I hadn’t been engaged on Stalker. However we sat simply close by. I used to be within the RTS improvement division, main the RTS line. I’ve been with GSC since 2001. I had labored there part-time earlier than, however 2001 is once I joined up as a full-time job.

Maria Grygorovych: I labored in cinema and TV earlier than I joined GSC. In 2016 they requested me to assist out for a few days. It’s been eight years since. I used to be a producer on some initiatives at first.

Ievgen Grygorovych: She had expertise that might assist us with video games that have been approaching launch.

GamesBeat: When you concentrate on how lengthy it’s been, do you consider it as sure phases? Altering instructions or engaged on various things. How do you clarify the time concerned?

Ievgen Grygorovych: There’s a sure diploma of uncertainty right here. Once we began, we didn’t have a blueprint for growing these sorts of video games. We began by writing a brand new plot and story. At first we needed to collect the group that may do that undertaking. The primary massive discover was a narrative author. We discovered somebody with lots of expertise within the improvement trade in Ukraine. He has far more expertise than I do. We received began engaged on the story, and once we appeared on the first idea, we mentioned, “No, this isn’t Stalker 2.” We moved away from that and began once more.

Ultimately it was absolutely rewritten about six instances. These are lengthy tales. He’s knowledgeable. He wasn’t afraid to drop all of it and begin once more. After these six instances, we had the story we needed to inform with our recreation. We have been pleased with it. It was very detailed. The entire historical past of this world, ranging from 1960 till the sport begins. That was the place we might begin.

Then we took on constructing the world map. We knew it will be an open world, however how massive? Is it 16 sq. kilometers or 64? It was a bit of loopy. We determined to do one thing larger than everybody normally does. We did eight kilometers on a facet, 64 sq. kilometers. It has lots of underground places as nicely, lots of tall buildings. There are areas above and under. General, the world is big.

Maria Grygorovych: I don’t suppose we actually developed this recreation any greater than anybody normally does. Lots of corporations have far more expertise. They’ve their group constructed from the start. They’ve some huge cash. They don’t have any points with a battle happening, something like that. And so they nonetheless work on a recreation for six or seven years. In our case, we began this recreation from scratch with a very new group. We had corona, battle, issues with the electrical energy. Half of our group has had lots of hassle with the electrical energy for the previous two years. They will’t work correctly day by day. With all these points, we’re nonetheless near launch. Lots of corporations take that a lot time with none of those points.

GamesBeat: I bear in mind Stalker 2 being introduced a very long time in the past. How lengthy has this undertaking taken?

Maria Grygorovych: There was a reset, so this has been about six years. This has a very completely different group, a very completely different method. Nothing is identical.

GamesBeat: You talked about there have been different video games, however nothing you considered Stalker 2. What did it imply to you to have one thing that could possibly be referred to as Stalker 2?

Ievgen Grygorovych: I actually love my earlier video games. A few of them have been very profitable. Some weren’t so profitable from a participant’s perspective, however they have been profitable for us as expertise in making one thing distinctive. For me, I can say that Stalker 2 is one thing completely epic. Beforehand I had expertise with RPGs, with turn-based technique, and with a mixture of RTS and RPG. A few of these have been very completely different, very experimental initiatives. It wasn’t simply copy-paste. Stalker 2 was simpler than that in a manner, as a result of we had Stalker to begin from. The brand new recreation needs to be a successor, persevering with what we had within the first recreation.

We had some foundation for the gameplay design, a blueprint for what we needed to obtain. In that sense it was simpler. However having completely new know-how, a very open world and so forth, that was an enormous problem. Making a really massive recreation sounds troublesome, however like every troublesome activity, you possibly can break it down into smaller duties, after which it is going to be easy. You simply must do a whole lot and 1000’s of easy duties. It simply takes lots of time. You must be a really calm particular person to work six years with out having a product you possibly can share. It’s a lot simpler to do brief initiatives, the place you’ve got one thing to launch after a cycle of, say, two years.

Maria Grygorovych: In recreation improvement you really want to like the method. Actual satisfaction will come after these six years. It is advisable to love the method that leads as much as that. You would have a few youngsters in that a lot time. If you really want to have that satisfaction instantly, you won’t wish to go into recreation improvement. It is advisable to be a affected person particular person.

Ievgen Grygorovych: I really like the method of improvement, fixing these duties.

Maria Grygorovych: It is advisable to love and respect the individuals you’re employed with, in the event you’re going to spend so a few years with the identical individuals.

GamesBeat: I’m in a science fiction ebook membership. I learn Roadside Picnic, and I used to be astonished by how completely different it was from Stalker. Do you see any resemblance to that unique materials?

Ievgen Grygorovych: We really didn’t have a goal to make a recreation by the ebook. It’s very completely different, as you say. We reside in a very new time. There’s lots of new science fiction now. Recreation design is far more superior. We will’t simply make good science fiction. We now have to make a very good recreation. The story must drive that recreation. We weren’t aiming to make it by the ebook.

GamesBeat: It looks like the Zone is perhaps the one factor that’s nonetheless there from the ebook. The concept of a particular place on this planet that’s very completely different.

Ievgen Grygorovych: The most important factor that Stalker 2 takes from the ebook is the thought of those anomalies, sure. They’ve unknown origins. Should you haven’t examined it, you don’t understand how they work. Lots of people have died to know how these anomalies work within the recreation world, simply as within the ebook. The concept of artifacts, gadgets have some unknown impact that additionally needs to be found. And the thought of an object you employ to seek out the anomalies.

Every part else is completely different. It’s a special location, about 100 kilometers away from our residence in Kyiv. It’s an actual place, and it’s an enormous catastrophe after the Chornobyl accident. It has lots of connection to our private tales. I used to be born within the yr of the nuclear catastrophe. Our mother and father might inform by the earth shaking that one thing was taking place, however the authorities didn’t inform them something. Nonetheless, everybody might see that one thing was taking place. They determined to maneuver me and my brother away from Kyiv to a different a part of Ukraine, to Donetsk, with my grandparents. It’s very related to what occurred in our lives. Ranging from this a part of the world, it’s logical for us as Ukrainian builders.

However briefly, it’s very completely different from the ebook. It’s influenced by our experiences, private experiences, and a few options from the ebook. That’s the way you get the sport.

GamesBeat: The battle got here to disrupt all the things. What needed to change for you? What did it’s a must to do to adapt as soon as that began?

Ievgen Grygorovych: The brief reply is that all the things modified. But it surely’s completely different while you take a look at the group’s private lives, our private lives, how we reside, our targets, our pursuits. For the event, it was a really laborious second. However we have been ready. We had ready all the things in order to not let this have an effect on, as a lot as attainable, our group’s lives, their households’ lives. We have been prepared for evacuation earlier than the battle began, and we did it.

Maria Grygorovych: Nonetheless, it’s a very completely different life from the day earlier than the battle began. Emotionally, for everybody – everybody in Ukraine, everybody on our group – it’s a degree the place you perceive won’t ever be the identical once more. At some factors it’s laborious to work, emotionally. You see tragedy taking place day by day, each couple of days. It’s a traditional factor for missiles to hit Kyiv close to our workplace. It was actually scary to start with, and it’s nonetheless actually scary now. You may’t adapt for moments like that.

Ievgen Grygorovych: What occurs if it drops 100 meters, 500 meters away from the goal and it hits your workplace, together with your individuals there? What are you going to do at that second? It’s very aggravating. We did all the things attainable. We now have a bunker simply close to our workplace. It’s an precise bunker constructed for nuclear assault. We’ve requested everybody to go there when there are missile alarms. However nonetheless, there’s an opportunity it might occur.

Maria Grygorovych: And typically a very fast missile strike can occur earlier than the alarms sound. 

Ievgen Grygorovych: It may be a four-minute missile.

Maria Grygorovych: However it’s good to work, so that you simply work. It’s laborious to clarify to somebody what it’s prefer to work like that, or what you’re feeling. Lots of our family members, individuals in our households have died within the battle. It is perhaps your brother, your mom. A few of our individuals have misplaced their mother and father. After that you simply go into work and get again to the sport. Should you’re doing one thing, it’s a bit of simpler to maintain from going loopy. However on the similar time, it’s been two and a half years. It’ll be three years quickly.

For the individuals who moved to Prague, it’s not the identical as being the same old sort of immigrant, the place you resolve to go someplace that you simply wish to go, and you’ll return residence everytime you need. It’s completely different being a refugee. It’s not your choice to depart your nation. It’s one thing you needed to do to guard your self, to guard your youngsters or your loved ones. It’s laborious.

GamesBeat: Did it’s a must to cease work collectively for some period of time?

Maria Grygorovych: It was virtually two months. 

GamesBeat: Did you contemplate transferring from Kyiv, going additional west?

Maria Grygorovych: From late December 2021 we have been planning for what we’d do if an actual battle began. What workers ought to do. Russia had already attacked Ukraine in 2014, but it surely was only some territories. Now we have been planning for a battle that may have an effect on the entire nation.

GamesBeat: Did you lose lots of employees who enlisted or have been conscripted?

Maria Grygorovych: Sure. It’s an honor to contemplate them our mates and colleagues. None of them have been skilled troopers. They have been programmers, QA, group managers who determined, even earlier than the full-fledged invasion, that if it occurred they’d enlist. They went to the recruiting facilities on the primary day to struggle for our nation.

Ievgen Grygorovych: They’re nonetheless our workers.

Maria Grygorovych: After our victory, I hope they’ll come again and maintain working.

GamesBeat: Have any of them been capable of come again but?

Ievgen Grygorovych: No, they’re nonetheless preventing. There’s virtually no approach to cease for now.

GamesBeat: Did you ever take into consideration stopping the sport, shutting down the undertaking?

Maria Grygorovych: No, that was by no means an choice. It was only a matter of taking a look at every challenge and determining tips on how to clear up it.

Ievgen Grygorovych: This can be a laborious undertaking, but it surely’s a weapon towards Russia. When Ukrainians could make one thing so massive, so recognized to the world, it’s a approach to struggle on the creative entrance. We’re not risking our lives, however we’re doing one thing to separate Ukraine from Russia, to focus on Ukraine. These are various things. We’re speaking about what’s taking place in our nation. We gained’t let the remainder of the world overlook concerning the battle. It’s nonetheless happening. If we fail, it’s going to be unhealthy for everybody who lives in western Europe and the remainder of the world. We’re holding Russia out of regular life in Europe. We’re doing it by highlighting the battle with what we do, with our interviews, with no matter methods we now have.

GamesBeat: Should you stopped work in Ukraine, Ukraine would grow to be weaker. By persevering with this work, it looks like you possibly can assist maintain Ukraine robust

Ievgen Grygorovych: Like our sportsmen successful medals on the Olympics. They’re additionally preventing for our nation otherwise, utilizing the strengths they’ve.

Maria Grygorovych: Once you do one thing with lots of love and soul–our dream is that lots of people will love this recreation. They’ll perceive that we exist. Ukraine exists. Ukraine can create this stuff, deliver life to nice video games. Like CD Projekt has achieved for Poland. Lots of people all over the world know of Poland due to CD Projekt. 

Ievgen Grygorovych: We’re bringing Ukraine to your PC display.

Maria Grygorovych: However not in an aggressive manner. Inside the recreation we’re not attempting to make an apparent assertion towards Russia. We wish to present like to our tradition and produce that to gamers all over the world.

GamesBeat: You’ve drawn lots of assist from gamers. Is there something notably memorable you’ve seen?

Ievgen Grygorovych: We now have lots of people defending us. When somebody who isn’t similar to you is prepared to defend you, to talk for you – “Don’t worry that they changed the release date. These guys are going through a lot.” – for me it’s a manner they assist us. It’s not simply individuals who may purchase our recreation when it releases. They’re preventing for us. That’s been vital to me.

Maria Grygorovych: I’ve seen individuals publish some humorous memes. “A developer announces that they’re going to be late because of the coronavirus. Stalker developers: ‘Hold my beer.’”

GamesBeat: As you come towards the end line, what are some stuff you’re nonetheless engaged on? Is there a special feeling now that a number of the most troublesome work is behind you?

Ievgen Grygorovych: There’s going to be an enormous sigh of aid after the discharge. However earlier than that, it’s nonetheless laborious. At this level I can say that lots of the gamers who’ve performed the sport adore it. We now have that proof that we put collectively a very good design and did good work. It’s a lot simpler to complete the sport when you already know that you simply’ve reached a very good environment and a very good problem for the gamers. It’s a lot simpler to complete a recreation like this when you get it to gamers and so they can take a look at it and let you know what’s good.

GamesBeat: Are you on the level the place you’re getting lots of suggestions from testing?

Ievgen Grygorovych: We nonetheless don’t have it within the arms of the entire viewers. It’s exterior QA, QC, individuals at our writer. However they agree on lots of issues. We all know that there will probably be a minimum of some individuals who suppose the identical manner.

Maria Grygorovych: Generally, as a developer, you will get within the mindset that it’s actually unhealthy, it’s a catastrophe, there’s no manner you possibly can present it to anybody. Then somebody performs it and says, “It’s so cool!” Possibly it’s good in any case? I don’t know many different builders, however inside our firm we all the time wish to do increasingly more. We’ll positively maintain working after the discharge to maintain working towards what we wish to do. We’ve constructed a universe. There’s probably not a degree the place you possibly can say you’re achieved and that’s all. We will maintain bringing extra into this world.

Ievgen Grygorovych: We now have lots of concepts for issues we needed to do in Stalker 2 that we determined ought to wait till after launch. We nonetheless have lots of issues we wish to add to the sport. Launch day isn’t the purpose the place we’ll cease making the sport. It’s simply the purpose the place gamers will get it and begin giving us suggestions. We’ll begin speaking with gamers concerning the recreation design.

Maria Grygorovych: There are some options you possibly can launch with out and it’s completely okay, however you continue to wish to do it, as a result of it’s cool.

GamesBeat: What has working with Microsoft been like?

Ievgen Grygorovych: They’ve been useful round two massive issues. One, the technical half. They devoted an skilled group from their know-how group to assist us with optimizing sure issues for Xbox. It’s been superb to work with individuals who have that sort of low-level expertise. The second half is emotional assist. They’ve been very supportive. They’ve proven the sport on their channels, and never simply because it’s a very good recreation, however as a result of–I really feel like they’re sympathetic to our private state of affairs, what we’re going via. They’ve been prepared to assist us on a private stage. It’s been crucial for me. If an organization this massive believes in us and is prepared to make use of its assets to assist us, possibly we’re vital in any case.

Maria Grygorovych: It’s a uncommon state of affairs. Phil Spencer and Sarah Bond have helped us in lots of other ways. It’s not simply enterprise. They’re simply good individuals. Lots of people from Microsoft have helped us out from completely different factors of view, even when it wasn’t essentially straightforward for them. They love video games and so they’re good individuals.

GamesBeat: How would you set followers’ expectations at this level? Is there something you needed to say to clarify the latest delays, the place it was moved to November?

Ievgen Grygorovych: Our purpose is to make a very good recreation. We’ll do something to make that occur. Our goal is to not launch the sport in the intervening time the place gamers anticipate it. Our goal is to launch the sport when it will possibly meet gamers’ expectations. I’m not afraid to delay the discharge if it’s to perform one thing good. 

We’re positively in a tough state of affairs the place it justifies the delays. It’s laborious to clarify to individuals–you’re on a Zoom video name together with your colleagues, engaged on the design, after which the sirens go off. Half the group on the decision has to stand up and go to the shelters. That impacts improvement. You may’t predict what number of missiles Russia goes to launch at Kyiv. When that occurs, the alarm impacts the entire area. It’s laborious to clarify that to somebody who hasn’t had that have. They could perceive the details, however they haven’t felt it. We will really feel it. We will justify transferring the discharge to make the sport good, as a result of we all know our state of affairs. We all know what we’re going via. We now have the ethical proper to delay the discharge till we make this nearly as good as we are able to. 

GamesBeat: You could have lots of people pulling for you. I believe they’ll perceive.

Maria Grygorovych: Our delays aren’t solely due to the battle. That’s vital to level out. It’s an enormous, troublesome undertaking. We now have points typically that we have to repair. It’s a really complicated recreation technology-wise. We’re engaged on new platforms. Generally we have to push the discharge date simply because we want extra time to make things better and polish. Proper now it’s principally right down to bug fixing and extra bug fixing. There are expectations from the gamers on the market that we wish to meet.

Not each developer has this sort of independence. Each developer wish to have extra time to complete their video games. That’s a privilege not everybody on the market has. We don’t have Microsoft demanding that we launch the sport on a sure day. We now have a really heat relationship. Some individuals won’t anticipate that they’d be like that, but it surely’s utterly true in our case. 

Ievgen Grygorovych: Even with out the battle we’d have delays. We have to make the sport higher. It’s coming all collectively now.

Maria Grygorovych: We’re doing this for our gamers. We’re not an enormous firm with some huge cash. Each delay, for us, it’s laborious financially. We don’t have cash coming in from different initiatives.

GamesBeat: How many individuals are engaged on the sport now?

Maria Grygorovych: It’s 460. That’s probably the most we’ve ever had. Each delay is tough, but when we do it, it’s as a result of we actually want to repair one thing or add one thing. We actually have some points that we have to clear up.

Ievgen Grygorovych: My level is, we’ve not been growing this recreation for a very long time. We’ve been growing it for a standard period of time. However for us it’s more durable to foretell an actual launch date. Our capability isn’t completely below our management. My level concerning the battle, it’s about our planning capabilities.

Maria Grygorovych: For instance, it’s a typical state of affairs that each night time we’ll have alarms for a complete week. Individuals don’t get to sleep. We now have 240-250 individuals in Ukraine. In a single week the larger half of your group won’t have gotten any sleep.

Ievgen Grygorovych: Or the electrical energy is out throughout working hours and it’s solely on at night time. You could have one hour of overlap between time zones to have conferences. We’re not complaining. However we’re simply attempting to speak the details of the state of affairs.

GamesBeat: Is it true that considered one of your individuals was killed within the battle?

Ievgen Grygorovych: He labored on the unique trilogy, sure. And one actor, who did voice-over and movement seize for Stalker 2. He died a number of months in the past. Possibly a yr? Time flows very in a different way proper now.

Maria Grygorovych: It’s a nervous factor. Lots of our individuals have members of the family who’ve died within the battle. Our workers are on the entrance traces. Considered one of my largest fears is that sooner or later it is going to be somebody shut. Individuals die day by day. You by no means know.

GamesBeat: Properly, I look ahead to enjoying the sport.

Ievgen Grygorovych: We’re ready for the second we are able to deliver it to gamers. 

Maria Grygorovych: I’m hoping for it. I would like some level of satisfaction. It’s achieved! And we’ll maintain going after that. However we’re very drained.

Ievgen Grygorovych: I’m sorry that a lot of this has been unfavorable.

Maria Grygorovych: It looks like we’ve talked extra about battle than concerning the recreation.

GamesBeat: It’s actual life. It’s a real story. It’s good to listen to it.